I bought these trousers at the end of Feb in preparation for a European road trip which I have just returned from. Yesterday was the first opportunity to use these in the wet rain & spray conditions and I spent a cold, wet & miserable 3 hours with soaking legs & undergarments. The so called waterproof goretex liner is useless especially around the saddle & groin area. For the cost of the item I had great expectations - they failed miserably. Avoid if you wish to stay dry!